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| − | I found the article "The Deuteronomist De-Christianizing of the Old Testament" really fascinating. But, where it really matters (to me at least) is how this additional historical background helps me understand the scriptures better. With that in mind, I was interested in the interepretation he gives of Jacob 4:14. But here is where I ran into trouble.
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| − | If I gathered the view correctly from Christiansen's article it goes something like this: in Old Testament times there was some tension between one camp (call them the the Deuteronomists) who focused on obeying the law and the other (call them the pre-Deutoronomists) who focused on the Temple and the Melchizedek Priesthood. The pre-Deutoronomist position was the older one and it was right, but the Deuteronomist won out in the end and revised the old testament so that it better supported their view; nevertheless clues were left behind in the revised Old Testament (and in other documents). No these clues do not lead us to finding a huge burried treasure in an underground cavern--instead, they lead us to understanding the pre-Deutoronomist position. What we find out was that this pre-Deutoronomist position is, Christiansen argues, in harmony with the Book of Mormon. This means that many of the things people have interpretted as inconsistencies between the views of the Old Testament and that of the Book of Mormon turn out to be caused by the revisions to the old testament by the Deuteronomists.
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| − | This nicely makes sense of [[1 Ne 13:26]] (or does it?--see the exegesis there). So far so good, but when we get to interpreting Jacob 4:14, I need some help. Here the idea Christiansen presents (if I am reading his article correctly) is that Jacob is following the pre-Deutornomist against the Jews Jacob spoke of in Jerusalem--the Deutoronomists.
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| − | But as I read verse 14 it seems that whatever Jacob means by "looking beyond the mark" he means doing something that is the same type of error as "despising the words of plainness" and "seeking for things that that they could not understand." But it seems to me more natural for a law-focused group (the Deutoronomists) to accuse the temple-focused group (the pre-Deutoronomists) of despising plainness and seeking for things they cannot understand than the other way around.
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| − | Rob or others, am I missing something here?
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| − | --[[User:Matthewfaulconer|Matthew Faulconer]] 08:00, 30 May 2005 (CEST)
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| − | Matt, I wonder if you are projecting later conflicts back onto this one? As the Early Christian church was breaking apart, many made similar accusations against those who they considered Gnostics--those who made claim to hidden knowledge (gnosis) or mysteries and temple ceremonies. However, in ca. 600BC, maybe the lines were drawn differently. However, you do raise interesting questions pointing to our need to better understand how the Bible was written and compiled to reflect various historical movements, and how the restoration of the gospel fits in with the teachings of those past movements. Apparently the Book of Mormon authors didn't reject all of the Deuteronomistic history, but perhaps had a different take on all of it. We're still just trying to figure out how this all fits together.--
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| − | [[User:Rob Fergus|Rob Fergus]] 18:49, 31 May 2005 (CEST)
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