Talk:Hel 1:1-6:41

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Verses 1:11-15[edit]

Hi Jarom, Regarding your question "Were these people part of the Nephite civilization?" The answer is yes. Remember these are people living in the same civilization as Pahoran, the chief judge of the Nephites (see verse 5). Given that, if I am understanding your question correctly the thrust of it is factual in nature, and it has now been answered I am going to remove the question. If there is another part of the question that should be added back in certainly feel free to do so. --Matthew Faulconer 05:52, 2 Oct 2005 (CEST)

User:Travis Justin Kamper wrote:

  • What was the covenant and oath that the people made consering Kishkumen?
  • Who sent Kishkumen to murder Pahoran?

Travis. On 1 see verse 11: "swearing by their everlasting Maker, that they would tell no man that Kishkumen had murdered Pahoran." On 2, I believe the answer is in verse 9 "those people who were desirous that [Paanchi] should be their governor." --Matthew Faulconer 03:55, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Verses 1:16-20[edit]

BenRassmussen writes:

  • vs. 18-33 - It's verses like these that help us realize the importance of never ceasing to strengthen ourselves in the Lord. The adversary has the ability to identify our weaknesses, and should we fail to fortify any aspect of our spiritual lives, then comes the devil and his forces, having a firm determination to conquer us in these vulnerable areas. How wise is the counsel of the Lord: "Pray always, that you may come off conqueror; yea, that you may conquer Satan, and that you may escape the hands of the servants Satan that do uphold his work." (D&C 10:5)

Hi Ben I moved this comment to this discussion page. I first thought I would write a summary of the what these verses say and then explain how this passage of scripture could be applied to our spirituality by leading up to your commment. But after summarizing it, I couldn't make the connection between what happens in those verses and your comment about the adversary and praying--at least it didn't seem obvious to me. Still I liked your comment and I didn't want to loose it so I moved it here to the discussion page. Feel free to add more on to the commentary page if you want to make that connection I wasn't able to. --Matthew Faulconer 03:42, 18 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Verse 3:35: Fasting[edit]

I wasn't sure what to make of the # of times the word fast is used in the Old Testament versus the New Testament versus the Book of Mormon. I went ahead and put in the Book of Mormon list but now that I have done it I am wondering if that sentence is adding any value at this point. Of course that may be because I missed the point and then made a poor change. Thoughts? --Matthew Faulconer 07:19, 1 Jul 2005 (CEST) PS Rob, thanks for the comments on fasting.

Looks good Matt. I think the # of times fasting is mentioned in the Book of Mormon speaks to how important it is in LDS practice, whereas traditional Christianity has come to downplay the practice (possibly due in part to a lack of clear New Testament statements). If so, Book of Mormon statements about fasting help restore lost or overlooked teachings about the practice. I think this section, with all the editing and comments, looks great now. Thanks. Rob Fergus 15:57, 2 Jul 2005 (CEST)

Rob, maybe I am being nit-picky but I don't see the number of times that fast is used in the Bible to be obviously less frequent than the number of times it is used in the Book of Mormon. Am I missing something? I see your point though, and agree, that the Book of Mormon teaches us about fasting in a way that the Bible does not. I'm just not sure if comparing the # of occurences between the two sources sheds light on that difference. --Matthew Faulconer 16:25, 6 Jul 2005 (CEST)

Matt, I guess it isn't as clear in the post as what I may have been thinking. You go from fairly frequent mention in the OT to very little and mostly casual references in the NT. BOM fits more with the OT pattern--and provides teachings that are not included in the OT (i.e. more specific examples of when to fast)--maybe because of being edited out by OT scribes, especially the Deuteronomists who emphasize ceremonial rather than personal fasting. I've edited the commentary to reflect this idea, does that help?Rob Fergus 19:34, 6 Jul 2005 (CEST)

Works for me. Looks good. Thanks. --Matthew Faulconer 06:55, 7 Jul 2005 (CEST)

Verse 5:12: Commentary moved.[edit]

Hi 155.70.39.45, Welcome to the site. I enjoyed your commentary on Hel 5:12. I hadn't thought about the significant difference between this version and the New Testament version. Thank you for posting.

Note: I moved you commentary to the page Hel 5:11-15 since that is where commentary on verse 12 belongs. I hope you continue to post commentary. You are welcome to post by ip address if you prefer but it is very easy to create an account. (If you'd like to do it, simply follow this link.) I think you will find that posting under an account makes it simpler for you to communicate with others and them to communicate with you about your posts. --Matthewfaulconer 08:44, 17 Mar 2005 (CET)

Thanks Matthew. I'll be sure to set up a username. I am on the road this week and will do so when I get back to my home computer. I hope this project works out. It is the best idea I've seen in a while.

Troy Keller

Verses 6:6-10: System of trade[edit]

Jmsears, I don't think I understood your question:

What was the system of trade like between the Nephites and Lamanites?

What do you mean by "system of trade"? Did you have some specific answer in mind? --Matthew Faulconer 04:53, 29 Nov 2005 (UTC)