Talk:2 Ne 1:1-32

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User:RM Matheson notes:

  • v. 7 "never be brought down into captivity; if so"
There is the notion that the USA would NEVER be conquered, but does not this scripture gives a big caveat to that?

I moved this to the discussion page because I feel like it assumes that the USA is referenced in this verse and I wasn't sure how to change that without maybe missing the point that you were driving at. I think an analysis of what this verse means would be nice in the exegesis. I agree that the if so section deserves more attention. --Matthew Faulconer 18:40, 16 Nov 2005 (UTC)


I tried rewriting this question

In this verse, how is anger acceptably qualified as truth?

with little success. Maybe I'll try again later. Somehow I want to get in the idea that Lehi (in this account by Nephi) isn't saying is anger but rather "that which you call anger." But maybe the question gets at this issue: is the only reason Nephi's behavior is not designated simply as anger but rather "that which you call anger"--in other words it looks like anger, feels like anger--but is the only reason we aren't calling it anger because it is the truth according to God that Nephi cannot restrain? Is that the question?

Also I'd be interested in hearing RobF's thoughts on this because how we think about anger seems related a bit to me to how we think of violence. --Matthew Faulconer 13:18, 22 June 2007 (CEST)

Fascinating passage here. I think it's significant that in verse 25 Lehi charges his son by saying "ye have accused him that he sought power and authority over you," since accuse is the same word for Satan in Hebrew. That is, I think Lehi is trying to point out something fundamentally wrong in the way Laman and Lemuel are reacting to Nephi, something that is diabolical in a very essential sense--and in so doing, he is saying something very profound about truth. Much to think about here. Also, I think anger as used in 2 Ne 4:29 is interesting to consider. Actually, I think that's a very curious passage--is Nephi telling himself not to anger, or God not to anger? At first blush I would think the latter, but in verse 28 Nephi seems to be talking to himself (i.e. "Rejoice, O my heart"). But then I guess prayer itself is a curious thing that breaches the boundaries of self and God (and others..?). Given the prevalence of references to God being provoked to anger in the Pentateuch, I think something very curious is going on here.... --RobertC 17:21, 22 June 2007 (CEST)