Talk:Moses 7:20-69

Moses 7:28-29

I temporarily removed the following as the link isn't clear what talk it points to. The link is simply a search on "love of god."

There is a part in this talk that speaks directly about these verses and it is really good.

http://library.lds.org/nxt/gateway.dll?f=templates$fn=default.htm$xhitlist_q=%5BRank+500%5D%28%5BField+general+conference%3Athe%20love%20of%20god%5D%29$xhitlist_x=Advanced$xhitlist_s=relevance-weight$xhitlist_d=Magazines/ensign$xhitlist_hc=%5BXML%5D%5Bkwic%2C0%5D$xhitlist_xsl=xhitlist.xsl$xhitlist_vpc=first$xhitlist_sel=title%3Bpath%3Bcontent-type%3Bhome-title%3Bhit-context%3Bfield%3Azr%3Bfield%3ARef

Bhardle, I can see how it is a bit difficult to make a link to a specific article. One way to do it from IE is to click the bookmark link on the church's website and then organize your bookmarks, right click on the bookmark and look at the properties. If that turns out not to work for you, could you please at least provide the title, author, month & year of the article you are referring to? Thanks, --Matthew Faulconer 01:26, 16 Sep 2005 (CEST)

Another option is to right click on the desired article and select "Open Link in New Window" the new window will have the proper link. Even if you are able to provide a link it is always helpful to provide a reference (author, title, and date) as links sometimes change. MJ 13:57, 16 Sep 2005 (CEST)

Moses 7:39 puzzles

Moses 7:39 is hard for me to really comprehend. Why is Christ referred to as "That which" instead of He whom was chosen? What does the Wherefore in the second sentence refer to--the chosing or the pleading? What does "inasmuch as they will repent" mean? And what about the repentance occuring "in the day that my Chosen shall return unto me?" What does that even mean? Are the spirits in prison unable to repent until some point? And what is meant by "return unto me?" When is that, exactly? So many questions about such a short verse--its a real puzzle to me.--Rob Fergus 23:05, 20 Dec 2006 (UTC)

I agree this is a very complicated verse. Here are my initial thoughts: "That which" might be referring to more than just Christ the person, and more about Christ the event (i.e. Atonement). I think the wherefore is referring to pleading--because Christ truly wants to do this (presumably b/c of his love for us...). I think the repentance occuring "in the day my Chosen shall return unto me" is referring in some sense to the idea that the Atonement isn't really fulfilled until the Christ's resurrection is completed--this is why I think there is a sense in which the saints who lived before Christ will still be held in prison until the Resurrection. I think they can fully repent and be forgiven, but the forgiveness is not technically complete until the resurrection. I think there are many problems with this reading I'm proposing, but that's how I'm looking at it now.... --RobertC 03:36, 21 Dec 2006 (UTC)