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Hi 65.216.70.186, | Hi 65.216.70.186, | ||
I removed part of your question related to being overweight and the Word of Wisdom. I did this to eliminate what some might interpret as a criticism against some members of the church. Hopefully this revision focuses the question more on the scriptures themselves. Note that my reason for removing the part of the question that seemed to critizice members of the church who misread the Word of Wisdom and use it to falsely judge others is not that I disagree with your claim, but rather, simply that I think we are best off by focusing on the scriptures themselves. | I removed part of your question related to being overweight and the Word of Wisdom. I did this to eliminate what some might interpret as a criticism against some members of the church. Hopefully this revision focuses the question more on the scriptures themselves. Note that my reason for removing the part of the question that seemed to critizice members of the church who misread the Word of Wisdom and use it to falsely judge others is not that I disagree with your claim, but rather, simply that I think we are best off by focusing on the scriptures themselves. | ||
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:::I agree that the Next Previous links are confusing--especially for those who get to the scriptures by drilling down through the links (e.g. clicking "Doctrine and Covenants" then "Section 89.") There is an enhancement on the queue to add a page with verse links (e.g. 1-5, 6-10) for each chapter/section so that users don't have to click Next, Next, Next, Next to get verse 26. I haven't gotten around to implementing that. In the meantime the easiest way to get to a specific verse is to type its reference (e.g. D&C 89:14) in the search box. I hope this helps. --[[User:Matthewfaulconer|Matthew Faulconer]] 07:05, 11 Aug 2005 (CEST) | :::I agree that the Next Previous links are confusing--especially for those who get to the scriptures by drilling down through the links (e.g. clicking "Doctrine and Covenants" then "Section 89.") There is an enhancement on the queue to add a page with verse links (e.g. 1-5, 6-10) for each chapter/section so that users don't have to click Next, Next, Next, Next to get verse 26. I haven't gotten around to implementing that. In the meantime the easiest way to get to a specific verse is to type its reference (e.g. D&C 89:14) in the search box. I hope this helps. --[[User:Matthewfaulconer|Matthew Faulconer]] 07:05, 11 Aug 2005 (CEST) | ||
| + | On the question, "Is it a sin to be overweight?" | ||
| + | (Note for full disclosure: I am very significantly overweight myself, and it ain't glandular.) Being overweight is a condition: righteousness is about behavior (including behavior of thought). This condition results from some combination of many factors, not all of which are understood. In most of us, though, overweight results from patterns of behavior which are unrighteous, or at least suboptimal. One such cause is gluttony, to use an old word, which seems to me to be tied in with selfishness and ingratitude. In food, as with other things, the notion seems to be that the Lord gives us things which he expects us to use in the right way and in appropriate amounts and balance. | ||
| + | --[[User:Rpederse|Rpederse]] 12:38, 17 Oct 2006 (UTC) | ||
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| + | ==easier to follow?== | ||
I'm wondering about the last paragraph in the exegesis about the WoW being easier than some commandments b/c we can see the direct benefit ("if we eat right ... we're healthier"). Maybe I think the comment just needs a little rewording so it's more neutral in tone or less strong in its claim. After all, in many cultures tea is very common and considered very healthy--for new converts in these areas, the WoW is sometimes one of the hardest commandments to follow precisely b/c the health benefits are ''not'' obvious.... --[[User:Rcouch|Robert C.]] 19:13, 13 Aug 2005 (CEST) | I'm wondering about the last paragraph in the exegesis about the WoW being easier than some commandments b/c we can see the direct benefit ("if we eat right ... we're healthier"). Maybe I think the comment just needs a little rewording so it's more neutral in tone or less strong in its claim. After all, in many cultures tea is very common and considered very healthy--for new converts in these areas, the WoW is sometimes one of the hardest commandments to follow precisely b/c the health benefits are ''not'' obvious.... --[[User:Rcouch|Robert C.]] 19:13, 13 Aug 2005 (CEST) | ||
:I don't think it's saying that it's easy to follow, just that it's easier to see the benefits. I suppose one could argue the point to some extent, though, since moderate use of coffee and tea are close to harmless, and extremely limited use of alcohol might even be beneficial. This is getting off-topic, but I think it's too bad that the alcohol/tobacco/coffee thing receives so much attention in the Church, while we don't talk very much about limiting meat and emphasizing grains, which definitely would be healthy. I wouldn't say it's against the WoW per se to be overweight, but we collectively would be healthy to take all of the WoW more seriously. Off my soapbox for now ... [[User:Eric|Eric]] 05:45, 14 Aug 2005 (CEST) | :I don't think it's saying that it's easy to follow, just that it's easier to see the benefits. I suppose one could argue the point to some extent, though, since moderate use of coffee and tea are close to harmless, and extremely limited use of alcohol might even be beneficial. This is getting off-topic, but I think it's too bad that the alcohol/tobacco/coffee thing receives so much attention in the Church, while we don't talk very much about limiting meat and emphasizing grains, which definitely would be healthy. I wouldn't say it's against the WoW per se to be overweight, but we collectively would be healthy to take all of the WoW more seriously. Off my soapbox for now ... [[User:Eric|Eric]] 05:45, 14 Aug 2005 (CEST) | ||
Revision as of 01:11, 18 October 2006
overweight
Hi 65.216.70.186, I removed part of your question related to being overweight and the Word of Wisdom. I did this to eliminate what some might interpret as a criticism against some members of the church. Hopefully this revision focuses the question more on the scriptures themselves. Note that my reason for removing the part of the question that seemed to critizice members of the church who misread the Word of Wisdom and use it to falsely judge others is not that I disagree with your claim, but rather, simply that I think we are best off by focusing on the scriptures themselves. --Matthew Faulconer 16:13, 10 Aug 2005 (CEST)
- I disagree but I won't press the issue. I didn't realize until just now that these pages only cover 5 verses... when I clicked on D&C and on 'section 89', i thought I was heading to a page about the whole section... this should be changed somehow, preferably by having another list come up when I click on 'section 89'. I'm not even sure now how I'm going to get to the page one of my questions was moved to...
- Just click on the link that says "Next" and the next portion of the section will come up. Eric 22:48, 10 Aug 2005 (CEST)
- I agree that the Next Previous links are confusing--especially for those who get to the scriptures by drilling down through the links (e.g. clicking "Doctrine and Covenants" then "Section 89.") There is an enhancement on the queue to add a page with verse links (e.g. 1-5, 6-10) for each chapter/section so that users don't have to click Next, Next, Next, Next to get verse 26. I haven't gotten around to implementing that. In the meantime the easiest way to get to a specific verse is to type its reference (e.g. D&C 89:14) in the search box. I hope this helps. --Matthew Faulconer 07:05, 11 Aug 2005 (CEST)
On the question, "Is it a sin to be overweight?" (Note for full disclosure: I am very significantly overweight myself, and it ain't glandular.) Being overweight is a condition: righteousness is about behavior (including behavior of thought). This condition results from some combination of many factors, not all of which are understood. In most of us, though, overweight results from patterns of behavior which are unrighteous, or at least suboptimal. One such cause is gluttony, to use an old word, which seems to me to be tied in with selfishness and ingratitude. In food, as with other things, the notion seems to be that the Lord gives us things which he expects us to use in the right way and in appropriate amounts and balance. --Rpederse 12:38, 17 Oct 2006 (UTC)
easier to follow?
I'm wondering about the last paragraph in the exegesis about the WoW being easier than some commandments b/c we can see the direct benefit ("if we eat right ... we're healthier"). Maybe I think the comment just needs a little rewording so it's more neutral in tone or less strong in its claim. After all, in many cultures tea is very common and considered very healthy--for new converts in these areas, the WoW is sometimes one of the hardest commandments to follow precisely b/c the health benefits are not obvious.... --Robert C. 19:13, 13 Aug 2005 (CEST)
- I don't think it's saying that it's easy to follow, just that it's easier to see the benefits. I suppose one could argue the point to some extent, though, since moderate use of coffee and tea are close to harmless, and extremely limited use of alcohol might even be beneficial. This is getting off-topic, but I think it's too bad that the alcohol/tobacco/coffee thing receives so much attention in the Church, while we don't talk very much about limiting meat and emphasizing grains, which definitely would be healthy. I wouldn't say it's against the WoW per se to be overweight, but we collectively would be healthy to take all of the WoW more seriously. Off my soapbox for now ... Eric 05:45, 14 Aug 2005 (CEST)
