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:Nibley had a 13 part commentary on The Book of Enoch that was published in 13 intallments in the Ensign between Oct. 1975 and Aug 1977. ('A Strange Thing in the Land: the Return of the Book of Enoch') Enoch is said to have gone as an emissary to these rebellious people (I've personally read at least that much from the Book of Enoch) who, though the sons of God, had apparently rejected the temple covenants and married themselves the daughters of men and shared sacred secrets with the world. They were, if I recall correctly, cursed that their posterity, both strong and famous for for great action, would perish. These Watchers, noted at the time of Enoch remind me much of these men at the time of Noah, at least in what they claim. (Are these just fathers seeing their children through rose colored glasses?) Perhaps there is a mix-up in the chronology. (I don't see the watchers mentioned in the Book of Moses at the time of Enoch.) Perhaps these are descendants or admirers of the watchers who had formed a false order in imitation of the Sons of God. Perhaps... this isn't connected like that. | :Nibley had a 13 part commentary on The Book of Enoch that was published in 13 intallments in the Ensign between Oct. 1975 and Aug 1977. ('A Strange Thing in the Land: the Return of the Book of Enoch') Enoch is said to have gone as an emissary to these rebellious people (I've personally read at least that much from the Book of Enoch) who, though the sons of God, had apparently rejected the temple covenants and married themselves the daughters of men and shared sacred secrets with the world. They were, if I recall correctly, cursed that their posterity, both strong and famous for for great action, would perish. These Watchers, noted at the time of Enoch remind me much of these men at the time of Noah, at least in what they claim. (Are these just fathers seeing their children through rose colored glasses?) Perhaps there is a mix-up in the chronology. (I don't see the watchers mentioned in the Book of Moses at the time of Enoch.) Perhaps these are descendants or admirers of the watchers who had formed a false order in imitation of the Sons of God. Perhaps... this isn't connected like that. | ||
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| + | ::This is fascinating Sean. Sorry I can't be of much help on this. I hope you'll continue to share any other thoughts and/or anything more you learn on this. --[[User:RobertC|RobertC]] 21:16, 11 Jan 2007 (UTC) | ||
Revision as of 17:16, 11 January 2007
Verse 21
Daughters of men
It's interesting that in v. 20 only the phrase "children of men" is used, perhaps to emphasize the carnal, human nature that the wicked people Noah is preaching repentance to are embracing, whereas those same wicked people refer to themselves as "sons of God", suggesting a type of pride reminiscent of Satan's during his rebellion (there was some discussion not long ago on this about a passage in Isaiah). The reference to their wives as "daughters of men" immediately after referring to themselves as sons of God sounds derisive to me.... --RobertC 02:41, 13 Feb 2006 (UTC)
- One possibility I'm considering right now is that the whole statement is a mockery of Noah and his sons. Verse 13 says that Noah and his sons were called the Sons of God. Verse 14 then relates that the sons of men married Noah's granddaughters.
- Another thing this reminds me of is the story of Enoch and the Watchers, or angels. Within the church, this story is generally interpreted to refer not to angelic heavenly beings, but earthly beings who had a place in God's kingdom, but rebelled similar to Noah's granddaughters. This is more the gist of the Genesis account that is generally associated with the tale of the watchers. The Genesis account doesn't suggest to have taken place at the time of Enoch anyway and is very much in-line with the account here in Moses.
- Nibley had a 13 part commentary on The Book of Enoch that was published in 13 intallments in the Ensign between Oct. 1975 and Aug 1977. ('A Strange Thing in the Land: the Return of the Book of Enoch') Enoch is said to have gone as an emissary to these rebellious people (I've personally read at least that much from the Book of Enoch) who, though the sons of God, had apparently rejected the temple covenants and married themselves the daughters of men and shared sacred secrets with the world. They were, if I recall correctly, cursed that their posterity, both strong and famous for for great action, would perish. These Watchers, noted at the time of Enoch remind me much of these men at the time of Noah, at least in what they claim. (Are these just fathers seeing their children through rose colored glasses?) Perhaps there is a mix-up in the chronology. (I don't see the watchers mentioned in the Book of Moses at the time of Enoch.) Perhaps these are descendants or admirers of the watchers who had formed a false order in imitation of the Sons of God. Perhaps... this isn't connected like that.
- --Seanmcox 00:06, 11 Jan 2007 (UTC)
- This is fascinating Sean. Sorry I can't be of much help on this. I hope you'll continue to share any other thoughts and/or anything more you learn on this. --RobertC 21:16, 11 Jan 2007 (UTC)
