Talk:Alma 32:36-40

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I like this[edit]

I think this reading you've given of verse 36 is important, and it sorts out for me (at least preliminarily) how to think about the gap between faith and seed. Thanks. Also, I took some time this morning to read through every comment on Alma 32 made so far, and I've picked up on a clue to much of what has been said. There is one explicit reference to Alma 12 in the commentary so far, but there are a lot of themes that connect this discourse up with that one. There may be good reason to study the two discourses side by side. They are the two discourses we have where Alma and Amulek do their alternating teaching style, and they are both discourses given to apostatized people, out of which only a few are converted. In both cases, the converts are immediately subjected to threats of torture or death (in the earlier one, they suffer death and exile; in this one, they are exiled, but then a war breaks out of their reception by the Nephites). And the subject matter is certainly connected in the two discourses.

So might it be profitable to widen the net a little bit? Here's what I see, particularly, to be important about Alma 12 (etc.). Alma 12 deals specifically with the role of angels. After describing the Fall (in response to the soldier's question), Alma presents a picture of Adam and Eve outside the garden but without knowledge of any plan of redemption, and God inside the garden (or heaven) with the plan. So God sends angels to make the plan known, and then the plan unfolds as a relation between men and angels, and the angels bring covenants ("commandments") with penalties for Adam and Eve, who, making these covenants and keeping them, enter into the rest of the Lord. Two aspects of this chapter alone point to the Book of Hebrews: the meeting up of angels and men, and the question of the rest of the Lord. Of course, chapter 13 is so profoundly intertwined with Hebrews that there are articles written on how Joseph obviously reworked the KJV, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, the point is this: this question of angels coming and making the plan known is so closely tied to the thrust of Alma 32 that it is probably worth taking up quite carefully. The one explicit reference was to Alma 12:10, where Alma mentions the word being given or taken away, and what that has to do with the mysteries, etc. At any rate, I think this opens some interesting possibilities. --Joe Spencer 17:08, 24 Jan 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I think I need to look at Alma 12 much closer--it might be next week or so before I get to it though. --RobertC 15:35, 25 Jan 2007 (UTC)