Talk:Mosiah 18:6-10

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Hi Visorstuff,

Interesting question. What makes you think it might refer to those who mourn for the Savior particularly rather than a general reference to those who mourn--whatever their reason?

--Matthew Faulconer 05:22, 26 Jul 2005 (CEST)

Honestly? Yesterday I heard a song about Mary visiting the Tomb after the Savior died. In the song, it said something about mourning with others over his death. I thought of this scripture and thought, "that is what mourning should be about" - not selfish concerns or self-pity, but concern for others well being, for the sorrow of death and for the Savior (and how we inflicted his suffering and his death) and for the eternal perpective that the atonement gives. We should sorrow for what really matters and while death and other hurt should be mourned - the bigger mourning should be for our own sins and for Him. I just thought that those who truly mourn with those who mourn have charity and know the power of the atonement. They mourn for Him, and have put the atonement active within their lives. Just a thought, just a question, just an easy way to find true christians. What is their focus? -Visorstuff 21:52, 26 Jul 2005 (CEST)

Hi Visorstuff, thanks for responding. I need to think about this one more. I like the idea that we should be truly sad about sin more than death--though as you say we should mourn for those who die. I think in fact there is a scriptural commandment to mourn for those who die though I can't remember where off the top of my head. Anyway I think there is some scripture that suggests, as you are saying I think, that sorrow for sin should be greater than sorrow for death. I am thinking of some scripture in the Book of Mormon discussing the many deaths of the anti-nephi-lehites. --Matthew Faulconer 16:27, 28 Jul 2005 (CEST)

That would make a good cross reference. -Visorstuff 22:07, 28 Jul 2005 (CEST)
I was thinking of Alma 24:24-27. It doesn't quite make the point that I was looking for. I'll look for another verse. --Matthew Faulconer 08:27, 29 Jul 2005 (CEST)
Were you thinking of Alma 28:11-12? MJ 15:29, 29 Jul 2005 (CEST)
Not sure if that is what I was thinking but it makes a great cross-reference. --Matthew Faulconer 07:47, 31 Jul 2005 (CEST)


Hi Visorstuff, I was thinking about this some more. If someone is not a true believer (i.e. they aren't someone who mourns for the savior) then do you think we don't have the responsibility to mourn with them--for whatever it is they mourn for e.g. the death of a loved one? --Matthew Faulconer 05:29, 2 Aug 2005 (CEST) PS I like the link to the hymn. That is our first link to the Church's cool new music site. I love that site. I'm thinking with its help (and much more practice on my part) I may one day be able to sing something other than the melody.

Excellent question. Not sure it has an answer. Perhaps that is the difference between comforting those who mourn and mourning with those who mourn. Maybe we are getting to splitting hairs/speculating at this point, but it is an interesting thought. I do believe that most words have dualistic meanings - perhaps mourn is such a word. -Visorstuff 21:32, 3 Aug 2005 (CEST)
Also think it is interesting the difference between symphathy - comforting those who mourn - and emphathy - experiencing the sorrow with those who mourn (mourning with those who mourn). Anyway... -Visorstuff 21:34, 3 Aug 2005 (CEST)