http://feastupontheword.org/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3AD%26C_19%3A21-25Talk:D&C 19:21-25 - Revision history2026-04-21T19:07:43ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.23.2http://feastupontheword.org/index.php?title=Talk:D%26C_19:21-25&diff=66030&oldid=prevMJ at 12:18, 9 May 20062006-05-09T12:18:58Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I lean toward 3. I'm interested in hearing what others think. --[[User:Matthewfaulconer|Matthew Faulconer]] 14:21, 8 May 2006 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I lean toward 3. I'm interested in hearing what others think. --[[User:Matthewfaulconer|Matthew Faulconer]] 14:21, 8 May 2006 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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</table>MJhttp://feastupontheword.org/index.php?title=Talk:D%26C_19:21-25&diff=6617&oldid=prevMatthewfaulconer: "these things"2006-05-08T14:21:12Z<p>"these things"</p>
<p><b>New page</b></p><div>==These things==<br />
re: the question about what "these things" in verse 21 refers to. <br />
Here are some possibilities that I thought of:<br />
# this revelation specifically (what is now known as D&C 19)<br />
# modern revelations more generally (essentially the D&C today)<br />
# the teachings just discussed about how endless torment and everlasting damnation refers to the type of torment and suffering Christ suffered (D&C 19:1-20)<br />
I lean toward 3. I'm interested in hearing what others think. --[[User:Matthewfaulconer|Matthew Faulconer]] 14:21, 8 May 2006 (UTC)</div>Matthewfaulconer