Isa 27:6-10 - Revision history

KurtElieson: Redirected page to Isa 27:1-13

2015-10-21T20:28:35Z

Redirected page to Isa 27:1-13

RobertC: /* Verse 9 */ iniquity of Jacob--scapegoat?!

2006-10-21T14:34:23Z

‎Verse 9: iniquity of Jacob--scapegoat?!

RobertC: /* Verse 8 */ typos, rewording...

2006-10-21T12:28:25Z

‎Verse 8: typos, rewording...

RobertC: /* Verse 8 */ "he stayeth"

2006-10-21T12:18:59Z

‎Verse 8: "he stayeth"

RobertC: exegesis summary sentence; moving v. 7 comment to lexical note

2006-10-21T12:03:43Z

exegesis summary sentence; moving v. 7 comment to lexical note

RobertC: "this is all the fruit to take away his sin"

2006-10-21T11:53:39Z

"this is all the fruit to take away his sin"

RobertC: /* Verse 8 */ "thou wilt debate with it"

2006-10-21T11:25:29Z

‎Verse 8: "thou wilt debate with it"

RobertC: /* Verse 8 */ "day of the east wind"

2006-10-21T11:06:45Z

‎Verse 8: "day of the east wind"

RobertC: /* Lexical notes */ in measure

2006-10-21T10:59:36Z

‎Lexical notes: in measure

RobertC: /* Exegesis */ possible readings of v. 7....

2006-10-21T10:33:17Z

‎Exegesis: possible readings of v. 7....

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-== Questions ==
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-== Lexical notes ==
-===Verse 7===
-* ''Hath he smitten him.''  The KJV word ''him'' in this verse can be taken (at least) two ways.  The more common interpretation seems to be that the ''him'' is referring to Israel ("them" in NRSV, NASB, etc.).  On this view, the question seems to be asking whether God was as severe to Israel's oppressors as he was to Israel.  The fact that Israel is fruitful implicitly answers this question since Israel's oppressors have been completely burned and destroyed.  Another possible way to read this is asking whether he (God) struck him who struck him (God)&mdash;that is, although Israel struck God, God retaliated by blessing Israel.
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-===Verse 8===
-* ''In measure.''  This whole verse seems very difficult for translators to reckon with.  The [http://www.bible.org/netbible/isa27_notes.htm#2719 NET footnotes] offer a brief explanation of the difficulties.  The [http://www.studylight.org/desk/?l=en&query=Isaiah+27%3A8&section=0&translation=nas&oq=Isaiah%252027%3A8&new=1&nb=isa&ng=27&ncc=27 NASB] seems representative of many translators in interpreting ''cacah'' (KJV "in measure") in a driving away sense, i.e. "banishing" (NRSV, "expulsion").  Wildberger attributes this view to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Dillmann Dillmann] who says "this would have to be analyzed as an infinitive with a third feminine singular suffix or else a noun expressing action."  Other scholars (e.g. G. R. Driver, ''Journal of Theological Studies'' v. 30, 1928, p. 371) have, in a similar spirit, taken ''cacah'' as a pilpel infinitive to be understood from an Arabic word meaning "shooing away."
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-* ''Thou wilt debate with it.''  Wildberger translates this "he disputed with her" and notes that "the suffixes on these verbs . . . are feminine singular, which means they cannot refer directly to Jacob."    The ''her'' then could be referring to the city (Samaria most likely) in verses 10ff.  The NET takes this as a divorce proceeding as an explanation for the feminine suffixes (i.e. Israel as the bride).
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-* ''He stayeth.''  This seems an odd translation since the Hebrew word [http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/1/1161432681-609.html ''hgh''] means "to remove or drive out" which is used in most translations (see the note above about the uncertainty of who is being being driven out).
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-* ''Day of the east wind.''  The east wind ([http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/6/1161428650-5229.html ''qdym'']) is often used to express a hot wind that dries up vegetation (cf. [[Ps 103:16]]; [[Jer 18:17]]; [[Job 27:21]]).
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-===Verse 9===
-* ''Iniquity of Jacob purged.''  The Hebrew word translated "purged" here is ''kpr'' which is the same root for atonement (as in Yom Kippur), ransom, and mercy seat.  This suggests the possibility of reading the "driving out" that occurs in verse 8 (see lexical notes) as a reference to the scapegoat ritual.  (Cf. [[Isa 40:2]].)
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-* ''This is all the fruit to take away his sin.''  The destruction of the altars described in this verse are described as the "fruit" of Israel's removal of sin.  Most seem to take ''fruit'' to have connotations of ''result'', that is, the altars are destroyed ''as a result of'' Israel's ceasing to sin (cf. [http://www.studylight.org/desk/?l=en&query=Isaiah+27%3A9&section=0&translation=nas&oq=Isaiah%252027%3A9&new=1&nb=isa&ng=27&ncc=27 NASB] "price of the pardoning" and [http://www.studylight.org/desk/?l=en&query=Isaiah+27%3A9&section=0&translation=nas&oq=Isaiah%252027%3A9&new=1&nb=isa&ng=27&ncc=27 NRSV] "fruit of the removal of his sin").  It seems this could also be read to mean that the destruction of the altars is what comprises the fruit of Israel's ceasing to sin, so the events are concomitant: the altars are destroyed, Israel distances itself from sin, and good fruit is produced.  Wildberger translates this as: "Truly, the guilt of Jacob is covered ''by that means''&mdash;and ''that'' is the entire fruit coming from the distancing of its sins&mdash;: so that all the stones of the altar . . . ."  In this sense, the destruction of the altars may be viewed as the very thing that causes Jacob's iniquity to be purged.
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-== Exegesis ==
-===Verses 7-9===
-The idea in these verses seems to be that the destruction that has come upon Israel has had a purging effect on Israel's sins.  God, in this sense, by smiting Israel, has made it possible for Israel to become purged of their sin and to bring forth good fruit.
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 ===Verse 9===
-* ''This is all the fruit to take away his sin.''  The destruction of the altars described in this verse are described as the "fruit" of Israel's removal of sin.  Most seem to take ''fruit'' to have connotations of ''result'', that is, the altars are destroyed ''as a result of'' Israel's ceasing to sin (cf. [http://www.studylight.org/desk/?l=en&query=Isaiah+27%3A9&section=0&translation=nas&oq=Isaiah%252027%3A9&new=1&nb=isa&ng=27&ncc=27 NASB] "price of the pardoning" and [http://www.studylight.org/desk/?l=en&query=Isaiah+27%3A9&section=0&translation=nas&oq=Isaiah%252027%3A9&new=1&nb=isa&ng=27&ncc=27 NRSV] "fruit of the removal of his sin").  It seems this could also be read to mean that the destruction of the altars is what comprises the fruit of Israel's ceasing to sin, so the events are concomitant: the altars are destroyed, Israel distances itself from sin, and good fruit is produced.  Wildberger translates this as: "Truly, the guilt of Jacob is covered ''by that means''&mdash;and ''that'' is the entire fruit coming from the distancing of its sins&mdash;: so that all the stones of the altar . . . ."  In this sense, the destruction of the altars may be viewed as the very thing that causes Jacob's iniquity to be purged.
+* ''Iniquity of Jacob purged.''  The Hebrew word translated "purged" here is ''kpr'' which is the same root for atonement (as in Yom Kippur), ransom, and mercy seat.  This suggests the possibility of reading the "driving out" that occurs in verse 8 (see lexical notes) as a reference to the scapegoat ritual.  (Cf. [[Isa 40:2]].)
 == Exegesis ==

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 ===Verse 8===
-* ''In measure.''  This whole verse seems very difficult for translators to reckon with.  The [http://www.bible.org/netbible/isa27_notes.htm#2719 NET footnotes] offer a brief explanation of the difficulties.  The [http://www.studylight.org/desk/?l=en&query=Isaiah+27%3A8&section=0&translation=nas&oq=Isaiah%252027%3A8&new=1&nb=isa&ng=27&ncc=27 NASB] seems representative of many translators in interpreting ''cacacah'' (KJV "in measure") in a driving away sense, i.e. "banishing" (NRSV, "expulsion").  Wildberger attributes this view to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Dillmann Dillmann] who says "this would have to be analyzed as an infinitive with a third feminine singular suffix or else a noun expressing action."  Other scholars (e.g. G. R. Driver, ''Journal of Theological Studies'' v. 30, 1928, p. 371) have, in a similar spirit, taken ''cacacah'' as a pilpel infinitive to be understood from an Arabic word meaning "shooing away."
+* ''In measure.''  This whole verse seems very difficult for translators to reckon with.  The [http://www.bible.org/netbible/isa27_notes.htm#2719 NET footnotes] offer a brief explanation of the difficulties.  The [http://www.studylight.org/desk/?l=en&query=Isaiah+27%3A8&section=0&translation=nas&oq=Isaiah%252027%3A8&new=1&nb=isa&ng=27&ncc=27 NASB] seems representative of many translators in interpreting ''cacah'' (KJV "in measure") in a driving away sense, i.e. "banishing" (NRSV, "expulsion").  Wildberger attributes this view to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Dillmann Dillmann] who says "this would have to be analyzed as an infinitive with a third feminine singular suffix or else a noun expressing action."  Other scholars (e.g. G. R. Driver, ''Journal of Theological Studies'' v. 30, 1928, p. 371) have, in a similar spirit, taken ''cacah'' as a pilpel infinitive to be understood from an Arabic word meaning "shooing away."
 * ''Thou wilt debate with it.''  Wildberger translates this "he disputed with her" and notes that "the suffixes on these verbs . . . are feminine singular, which means they cannot refer directly to Jacob."    The ''her'' then could be referring to the city (Samaria most likely) in verses 10ff.  The NET takes this as a divorce proceeding as an explanation for the feminine suffixes (i.e. Israel as the bride).
-* ''He stayeth.''  This seems an odd translation since the Hebrew word [http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/1/1161432681-609.html ''hgh''] means "to remove or drive out."  Most translations take the meaning here to be that God is using the wind to ''drive out'' her/them (see the note above about the uncertainty of who is being contended with here).
+* ''He stayeth.''  This seems an odd translation since the Hebrew word [http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/1/1161432681-609.html ''hgh''] means "to remove or drive out" which is used in most translations (see the note above about the uncertainty of who is being being driven out).
 * ''Day of the east wind.''  The east wind ([http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/6/1161428650-5229.html ''qdym'']) is often used to express a hot wind that dries up vegetation (cf. [[Ps 103:16]]; [[Jer 18:17]]; [[Job 27:21]]).

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 * ''In measure.''  This whole verse seems very difficult for translators to reckon with.  The [http://www.bible.org/netbible/isa27_notes.htm#2719 NET footnotes] offer a brief explanation of the difficulties.  The [http://www.studylight.org/desk/?l=en&query=Isaiah+27%3A8&section=0&translation=nas&oq=Isaiah%252027%3A8&new=1&nb=isa&ng=27&ncc=27 NASB] seems representative of many translators in interpreting ''cacacah'' (KJV "in measure") in a driving away sense, i.e. "banishing" (NRSV, "expulsion").  Wildberger attributes this view to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Dillmann Dillmann] who says "this would have to be analyzed as an infinitive with a third feminine singular suffix or else a noun expressing action."  Other scholars (e.g. G. R. Driver, ''Journal of Theological Studies'' v. 30, 1928, p. 371) have, in a similar spirit, taken ''cacacah'' as a pilpel infinitive to be understood from an Arabic word meaning "shooing away."
-* ''Thou wilt debate with it.''  Wildberger translates this "he disputed with her" and notes that "the suffixes on these verbs . . . are feminine singular, which means they cannot refer directly to Jacob."    The ''her'' then could be referring to the city (Samaria most likely) in verses 10ff.  The NET takes this as a divorce proceeding as an explanation for the feminine suffixes (Israel as the bride).
+* ''Thou wilt debate with it.''  Wildberger translates this "he disputed with her" and notes that "the suffixes on these verbs . . . are feminine singular, which means they cannot refer directly to Jacob."    The ''her'' then could be referring to the city (Samaria most likely) in verses 10ff.  The NET takes this as a divorce proceeding as an explanation for the feminine suffixes (i.e. Israel as the bride).
 * ''Day of the east wind.''  The east wind ([http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/6/1161428650-5229.html ''qdym'']) is often used to express a hot wind that dries up vegetation (cf. [[Ps 103:16]]; [[Jer 18:17]]; [[Job 27:21]]).

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 == Lexical notes ==
 ===Verse 8===
 * ''In measure.''  This whole verse seems very difficult for translators to reckon with.  The [http://www.bible.org/netbible/isa27_notes.htm#2719 NET footnotes] offer a brief explanation of the difficulties.  The [http://www.studylight.org/desk/?l=en&query=Isaiah+27%3A8&section=0&translation=nas&oq=Isaiah%252027%3A8&new=1&nb=isa&ng=27&ncc=27 NASB] seems representative of many translators in interpreting ''cacacah'' (KJV "in measure") in a driving away sense, i.e. "banishing" (NRSV, "expulsion").  Wildberger attributes this view to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Dillmann Dillmann] who says "this would have to be analyzed as an infinitive with a third feminine singular suffix or else a noun expressing action."  Other scholars (e.g. G. R. Driver, ''Journal of Theological Studies'' v. 30, 1928, p. 371) have, in a similar spirit, taken ''cacacah'' as a pilpel infinitive to be understood from an Arabic word meaning "shooing away."
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 ===Verse 9===
-* ''This is all the fruit to take away his sin.''  The destruction of the altars described in this verse are described as the "fruit" of Israel's removal of sin.  Most seem to take ''fruit'' to have connotations of ''result'', that is, the altars are destroyed ''as a result of'' Israel's ceasing to sin (cf. [http://www.studylight.org/desk/?l=en&query=Isaiah+27%3A9&section=0&translation=nas&oq=Isaiah%252027%3A9&new=1&nb=isa&ng=27&ncc=27 NASB] "price of the pardoning" and [http://www.studylight.org/desk/?l=en&query=Isaiah+27%3A9&section=0&translation=nas&oq=Isaiah%252027%3A9&new=1&nb=isa&ng=27&ncc=27 NRSV] "fruit of the removal of his sin").  It seems this could also be read to mean that the destruction of the altars is what comprises the fruit of Israel's ceasing to sin, so the events are concomitant: the altars are destroyed, Israel distances itself from sin, and good fruit is produced.  Wildberger translates this as: "Truly, the guilt of Jacob is covered ''by that means''&mdash;and ''that'' is the entire fruit coming from the distancing of its sins&mdash;: so that all the stones of the altar . . . ."
+* ''This is all the fruit to take away his sin.''  The destruction of the altars described in this verse are described as the "fruit" of Israel's removal of sin.  Most seem to take ''fruit'' to have connotations of ''result'', that is, the altars are destroyed ''as a result of'' Israel's ceasing to sin (cf. [http://www.studylight.org/desk/?l=en&query=Isaiah+27%3A9&section=0&translation=nas&oq=Isaiah%252027%3A9&new=1&nb=isa&ng=27&ncc=27 NASB] "price of the pardoning" and [http://www.studylight.org/desk/?l=en&query=Isaiah+27%3A9&section=0&translation=nas&oq=Isaiah%252027%3A9&new=1&nb=isa&ng=27&ncc=27 NRSV] "fruit of the removal of his sin").  It seems this could also be read to mean that the destruction of the altars is what comprises the fruit of Israel's ceasing to sin, so the events are concomitant: the altars are destroyed, Israel distances itself from sin, and good fruit is produced.  Wildberger translates this as: "Truly, the guilt of Jacob is covered ''by that means''&mdash;and ''that'' is the entire fruit coming from the distancing of its sins&mdash;: so that all the stones of the altar . . . ."  In this sense, the destruction of the altars may be viewed as the very thing that causes Jacob's iniquity to be purged.
 == Exegesis ==
-===Verse 7===
+===Verses 7-9===
-The KJV word ''him'' in this verse can be taken (at least) two ways.  The more common interpretation seems to be that the ''him'' is referring to Israel ("them" in NRSV, NASB, etc.).  On this view, the question seems to be asking whether God was as severe to Israel's oppressors as he was to Israel.  The fact that Israel is fruitful implicitly answers this question since Israel's oppressors have been completely burned and destroyed.  Another possible way to read this is asking whether he (God) struck him who struck him (God)&mdash;that is, although Israel struck God, God retaliated by blessing Israel.
+The idea in these verses seems to be that the destruction that has come upon Israel has had a purging effect on Israel's sins.  God, in this sense, by smiting Israel, has made it possible for Israel to become purged of their sin and to bring forth good fruit.
 == Related links ==

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	* ''Day of the east wind.'' The east wind ([http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/6/1161428650-5229.html ''qdym'']) is often used to express a hot wind that dries up vegetation (cf. [[Ps 103:16]]; [[Jer 18:17]]; [[Job 27:21]]).		* ''Day of the east wind.'' The east wind ([http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/6/1161428650-5229.html ''qdym'']) is often used to express a hot wind that dries up vegetation (cf. [[Ps 103:16]]; [[Jer 18:17]]; [[Job 27:21]]).
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		+	===Verse 9===
		+	* ''This is all the fruit to take away his sin.'' The destruction of the altars described in this verse are described as the "fruit" of Israel's removal of sin. Most seem to take ''fruit'' to have connotations of ''result'', that is, the altars are destroyed ''as a result of'' Israel's ceasing to sin (cf. [http://www.studylight.org/desk/?l=en&query=Isaiah+27%3A9&section=0&translation=nas&oq=Isaiah%252027%3A9&new=1&nb=isa&ng=27&ncc=27 NASB] "price of the pardoning" and [http://www.studylight.org/desk/?l=en&query=Isaiah+27%3A9&section=0&translation=nas&oq=Isaiah%252027%3A9&new=1&nb=isa&ng=27&ncc=27 NRSV] "fruit of the removal of his sin"). It seems this could also be read to mean that the destruction of the altars is what comprises the fruit of Israel's ceasing to sin, so the events are concomitant: the altars are destroyed, Israel distances itself from sin, and good fruit is produced. Wildberger translates this as: "Truly, the guilt of Jacob is covered ''by that means''—and ''that'' is the entire fruit coming from the distancing of its sins—: so that all the stones of the altar . . . ."

	== Exegesis ==		== Exegesis ==