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Welcome Nanette! I've really enjoyed your comments on Jim F.'s Sunday school lessons, and look forward to hearing more of your thoughts here. We all know the wiki takes a bit of getting used to, so if you have any questions or need to experiment, please don't be shy to ask or be self-conscious at all. --RobertC 15:37, 25 Jan 2007 (UTC)

Hello Nanette,

Welcome to Feast upon the Word. The home page is a good intro to the site. The following links are also sometimes helpful to newcomers:

On talk pages, please sign your name. You can do this by using three tildes (~~~) which will automatically produce your name, four tildas (~~~~) produces the date as well. (When editing, clicking the 2nd-button in from the right above the editing window will insert this automatically.)

I hope you enjoy adding commentary and editing other people's commentary.

Hi Nannette, that's the standard welcome text. Also, if you haven't looked at it yet, check out Site:Other_scripture_resources. You can get to this page from the left nav, the last link under other stuff. --Matthew Faulconer 03:22, 26 Jan 2007 (UTC)

Reference Material[edit]

Thank you, RobertC. I do feel a bit like I'm talking into a wind tunnel...but your "welcome" ended the echo...thanks. I feel very much the hillbilly of this group as I read everyone's erudite comments with well connected credentials. I think my biggest question is how to access information, i.e. Greek Bible, word entymology, etc. There must be some "favorite" sources ya'll use. Mind sharing what they are? Again, thanks for the response.
Forgive me, Robert, I just visited your homepage & saw your suggestions for further study. I'll follow up with those links. Feel free to give me further advice if you have it. Regards. --User:Nanette

My page is very much out of date, sorry. Here are the resources I find most helpful:

  • NeXt Bible: This is a great place to get good alternate translations and a few helpful notes (I think the NRSV is the best and most commonly used translation by scholars nowdays; the NASB is a good, literal translation).
  • BLB: Great online resource for Greek and Hebrew study. Click on the "C" to the left of each verse to see word-for-word translations, and click on the Strong's number next to each word to open a page giving a definition of each word (interlinear text) and all the uses of that word in the Bible--very handy....
  • Dr. Constable's Bible Study Notes: This is the best free, online commentary I've found. Be sure to use the bookmarks to navigate the pdf files (the Matthew file is 418 pages!).

The goal of the site, as I understand it, is just to provide a venue and a resource to encourage (communal) scripture study on whatever topic or level users are interested in, so don't worry about being hillbilly or erudite, just be yourself! --RobertC 03:20, 26 Jan 2007 (UTC)

(P.S. Notice that on talk/discussion pages, you can sign your name to a comment by clicking on the icon that looks like a signature, second from the right, or by inserting 4 tildes.)

Q&A about this wiki[edit]

To the Experienced: Questions --

  1. 1 I'm not sure where/how to post a comment that I'm inviting response to. Is the User Page the same as the Discussion Page? I see others' posts, including tables of contents, with people being able to read/respond to them. Do I post this on my user page?
  2. 2 How do I make a table of contents?
  3. 3 Can I write something in Microsoft Word & paste it here already formatted?
  4. 4 What about a graphic, can I add that as a paste?
  5. 5 How do other's know my post has been posted & choose to read/respond? Do others' have the ability to edit my user page--well, obviously they do. We're all just trusting one another in our editing?
  6. 6 Was I suppose to post this barrage of questions on someone else's user page? I feel uncomfortable editing someone else's page. I'm not even sure someone will read what I've just written?! --Nanette 18:42, 27 Jan 2007 (UTC)
Matthew and Robert will probably have better general information for you, but here are a couple of "quick starts" for getting involved with the wiki. Your most important helps are going to be the links in the box to the left on the screen. "Recent changes" takes you to a list of the most recent changes on the site (this is how others find out that you've posted something, and how you find out that others have posted something). You can click on the links listed under recent changes and go directly to where there is discussion going on. In the end, it is perhaps this "recent changes" link that you will use the most.
If you want to put some commentary on more directly (i.e., without trying to insert yourself into a discussion or something that is already going on), use the links under "scripture commentary." Just click on whichever book, and it will bring up the books within that book. Pick a book, and then a chapter, and then a five-verse stretch. Then you'll find yourself on a commentary page. If you click on "edit" it will allow you to start posting questions, lexical notes, exegesis, and/or links. And you are underway. Once you have clicked on "edit," there will be an "Editing help" link that will give you instructions if you are still trying to figure things out. Everyone here is very patient, and we will all help you as you figure out how the site works, so don't be too worried about making a "major" mistake (almost anything can be fixed).
You should also know that every commentary page (and every user page, too) has a "talk" or "discussion" page (the tab that says "discussion"). On the discussion page goes, as you might guess, discussion about the commentary page, while the commentary page is specifically for commentary, questions, links, etc. So you can begin by posting some thoughts/commentary/questions or you can start on the discussion page and simply discuss some issues you'd like to take up, etc. If you go through some of the "recent changes," you'll probably get an idea of how it works.
Welcome aboard. I'm excited, as the others are, to have you here. Feel free to ask any questions here, and someone will see it and respond. --Joe Spencer 00:17, 28 Jan 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Joe for attempting to help. I think I've checked into all those sidebar things but my questions still remain. I've tried to number them in case anyone can specifically address them. I've clicked "discussion" but here I am still on the User Page. I had hoped I could get to the "discussion" page where I'd like to post some scripture related thoughts. I'll save this & see if it begins a "discussion" page like I've seen at other user's sites...nope, didn't seem to work. What am I doing wrong?

Hi Nanette, Let me take your questions one at a time.

1 I'm not sure where/how to post a comment that I'm inviting response to.

Not sure I really understand this one. Le't keep going though and maybe the answer will come out.

Is the User Page the same as the Discussion Page?

Each user has a user page. Each user page (and as Joe points out every page) has its own discussion page.

I see others' posts, including tables of contents, with people being able to read/respond to them. Do I post this on my user page?

You are welcome to post stuff on your own user page and your own discussion page that will work like this. The table of contents will show up automatically when there are 4 sections or more (or maybe it is three. I'll go ahead and add some section headings to this page and you'll see what I mean).

2 How do I make a table of contents?

You can make a heading by typing two equal signs before and after the heading name. If you have several heading the table of contents will automatically show up.

3 Can I write something in Microsoft Word & paste it here already formatted?

In short, no. But there may be some utility that would convert HTML or WORD docs to mediawikimarkup on the internet. I wouldn't recommend that though as it probably would not work well.

4 What about a graphic, can I add that as a paste?

Yes, you can put in pictures. Let me find some instructions for that.

5 How do other's know my post has been posted & choose to read/respond? Do others' have the ability to edit my user page--well, obviously they do. We're all just trusting one another in our editing?

Yes. The main way we see what each other is doing is through recent changes page (the third link on the left.)

6 Was I suppose to post this barrage of questions on someone else's user page? I feel uncomfortable editing someone else's page. I'm not even sure someone will read what I've just written?!

Feel free to post any question on my page if you wish (I just gave you permission) but posting here works too. --Matthew Faulconer 18:25, 28 Jan 2007 (UTC)

O.k. I'm going to try to apply all the advice I've gotten to this page...should I delete the above or just keep going? I appreciate the other participants' CLEAN discussion pages whereas this one is so messy...the artist coming out in me.

Help and instructions[edit]

Hi Nanette, I moved a couple of things to your user page. Not sure whether you want them here or there. Putting them there to me suggests more permanence. But anyway you should feel free to use your user page in whatever way you like--and it is because different people use their user page in different ways that it is hard to say what the convention is. Part of what people use user pages for is to put stuff that just doesn't fit anywhere else. In contrast, there are conventions around how to use the commentary pages of the site (and the corresponding discussion pages) because those are the real focus of the site. Now to follow-up on a few more items.

1) Clean page

Feel free to clean the page whenever you like. Just delete everything on it and save. Also don't worry that something is lost. It is always available in the history if you want to see it or restore it.

2) Putting a picture on the site.

2a) Upload your image using special:upload

2b) You can display that image in your page using the following code [[image:NameOfImage.jpg|Alternate Text]]

Or at least I think that is right. I don't do it much. If it doesn't work, let me know. I'm happy to help.

--Matthew Faulconer 03:59, 29 Jan 2007 (UTC)

As I post a Post, I can't figure out how to post just an excerpt instead of the whole post. Would someone please make an excerpt of my rencent Easter post. I simply hate long posts on the home blog page. & would you tell me how to make just an excerpt appear with the entire post available, i.e. the way Joe & ya'll have been doing it. Thanks! Oh, also, I can't find the little box that used to alert me to recent changes on pages like THIS ONE. My signature is also "broken" & not including my name when I hit the signature key on these wiki pages. Thanks to anyone willing to help.--Nanette 21:31, 8 March 2007 (CET)

Posting on the blog, you can make just an excerpt appear by clicking on the icon in the editing box that has a little box sitting on top of a larger box separated by horizontal dashes. I did this for you, but you can still play around with yourself. Regarding the "recent changes" tab at the blog, look below the "recent comments" tab. Matthew's separated this so the main commentary page changes show up above the "recent comments" box, and the non-commentary-page edits show up underneath the "recent comments" box (sometimes it takes a while for these changes to feed to the blog). Regarding the signature key, my guess is that you weren't logged in--you have to periodically re-login (look in the upper to see if your username appears). Also, sometimes I notice that my cursor jumps to the beginning when I'm scrolling up to click the icon, so I finally memorized the "four tilde" command that inserts the signature (again, if you're not logged in, this will just leave an IP address). --RobertC 22:55, 8 March 2007 (CET)

Service, humility, etc[edit]

Hi Nanette, in answer to your comments (now on your user page):

This humility opens up our hearts to the teachings or promptings of the Spirit, enabling us to better "hearken."...[I'm] wondering about the scriptural support, if any, to my thinking...

How about this one,Hel 3:35. It isn't a direct hit, but hopefully a helpful example nonetheless along the same lines. --Matthew Faulconer 05:49, 29 Jan 2007 (UTC)

PS To give credit where due, John recently provided this scripture to me when I was looking for something similar. Thanks John.

So, Matthew, do you think the "yielding their hearts unto God" implies they went out & performed some kind of service? I'm sure there's scriptural support for that.

Oooooh, it was exciting to get your response to my question/invitation. : ) Thanks! You know, what I really need on this wiki is a spell check!!!

re: yielding their hearts unto God. I don't think serving is what that phrase means--though it certainly is the case that those who do yield their hearts unto God do serve, since service follows naturally. I guess what caught my attention about this is the step-by-step progression nature of this verse. But it is interesting that this doesn't mention anything about works. This brings up a question. We hear so much about how serving people leads to loving them. And this fits my personal experience. But I'm hard pressed to find any scriptural examples. I'm not sure why that is.

re: Spell check. That's the only reason I use firefox rather than ie. And even with a spell check I make a lot of spelling errors. Those darn homonyms--or whatever they are! --Matthew Faulconer 06:09, 29 Jan 2007 (UTC)

Nanette, I think this is a very interesting question which is closely related to faith, grace, and works issues more generally. I think this will be a fun issue to explore as we study the NT this year, paying special attention to passages such as Christ saying that the chief among us will be the servant of all, and Paul (esp. Rom 6) talking about being the slave/servant of God and righteousness. My view is, roughly, that humility actualizes itself in the very act of choosing to serve others. This choice might come in degrees--that is, we can serve more or less willingly--but to the extent that we choose to submit our will to service of others, we are in effect choosing to be humble. I think the idea of this becoming "easier" or more natural might be parallel to the idea of increasing faith in Alma 32 which Joe and will probably continue to study quite closely. So I think it might be a bit misleading to think about service and humility as separate concepts, perhaps more like two words with slightly different connotations referring to essentially the same process: being reborn with a new heart that is willing to submit to God and others in service, and thus humility. --RobertC 15:31, 29 Jan 2007 (UTC)


I'm curious to hear you develop your ideas on this more. I've been meaning to look more carefully at John Welch's book The Sermon at the Temple and the Sermon on the Mount, and to study the Sermon on the Mount more carefully in general. Since I've been wondering what it means for faith to grow in Alma 32, I'm interested in the issue of progression that you raise. Along these lines I've also been meaning to look more closely at Nephi's use of the "line upon line" passage (and the corresponding passages in the D&C), which goes against the grain of the current scholarly view of Isa 28:9ff (click the link for more discussion on this). I think this is also all tied in interesting ways to the Vision in D&C 76 and the 3 degrees of glory, which it seems can be viewed in a progressive way. So I think this idea of progression is a very interesting and uniquely Mormon concept in scripture.... --RobertC 15:42, 29 Jan 2007 (UTC)

Nanette, this is a really cool diagram. I propose that we discuss this idea here on the wiki for a couple weeks or so (here or, better, on the main commentary pages for Matt 5:1ff b/c I think that'll force us to let the text speak for itself with less danger of us forcing our own meaning onto the text). Then, when we get closder to this in SS school (2-3 weeks from now?), we--or, you rather!--write a blog post on this sumarizing what we've come up with at that point. What do you think? I think this will actually be a good experiment for integrating the blog and wiki better in that it will give a broader audience to what we do on the wiki. Be looking for some integration of your idea on the Matt 5:1ff commentary pages, and/or in 3 Ne 12:1ff. --RobertC 20:14, 30 January 2007 (CET)