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Law vs. covenants
Joe, I like the question. Any thoughts on the answer? --Matthew Faulconer 05:08, 5 March 2007 (CET)
Bibliography for D&C background
Joe, what sources are you finding most helpful in doing contextual work? My library is very poor in terms of church history, what would you recommend looking at? Surely there are some books that are esp. helpful in terms of getting context for reading the D&C.
What's most interesting to me (rght now) is how the word covenant seems to be used differently here (or at least slightly differently) than in Genesis where God's promse to Abraham and extended specifically to Isaac (and not Ishmael) in a way that doesn't seem to imply conditionality (although it does seem that circumcision was a condition imposed early on in Gen 17).... --RobertC 18:47, 6 March 2007 (CET)
This list is great Joe, it'll keep my family, friends, and relative busy for several Christmases and birthdays to come (esp. b/c I have so few friends!). Another quick question that I keep wondering about that I think affects how we should read the JST and citations of the Bible: do we have any sense of how much Greek and Hebrew Joseph learned, and when? --RobertC 17:45, 8 March 2007 (CET)
Pass By the Angels
Brigham Young famously reported that the purpose fo the temple endowment was "to receive all those ordinances in the House of the Lord, which are necessary for you, after you have departed this life, to enable you to walk back to the presence of the Father, passing the angels who stand as sentinels, being enabled to give them the key words, the signs and tokens, pertaining to the Holy Priesthood, and gain your eternal exaltation in spite of earth and hell" (JD 2:31). While we often think of this as perhaps a literal passing of sentries at gaurded doors to the Celestial Kingdom, perhaps there is more to this statement than meets the eye. Perhaps it isn't so much that there are sentries that we have to satisfy with special "signs and tokens" in order to pass through their gaurded doors, perhaps the phrase "passing the angels" should be taken in the same way as the similar "pass by the angels" here in D&C 132:19--those who receive the "signs and tokens" of the endowment pass by the angels because they have received an ordinance or ordination to become more than mere angels. The ordained become gods by passing the station of angels to become "above all" with angels "subject unto them" (D&C 132:20). According to this view, the endowment described by Brigham Young, and the temple sealing as revealed here in this section, are perhaps a preliminary ordinations to godhood. Perhaps there are even different levels of exaltation implied by the various ordinances or ordinations entered into through these temple ceremonies.--Rob Fergus 14:36, 16 Nov 2006 (UTC)
Good stuff, doesn't follow no quoting rule
Recent work by an anonymous contributor in the exegesis section is interesting. It also happens to violate pretty strongly the rule against using quotes in the exegesis section which to date I've tried to enforce on this wiki. Because of this I'm going to move the information to the related links section. Rather than put it all in the related links section I will create a subpage and move most of it there. Hopefully this isn't interpretted as suggesting that the work is not good. That isn't the issue. Instead, the question is where work like this belongs. If anyone wishes to discuss, we can do so on this page. If someone would like to discuss the policy rule "Do not cite sources other than the scriptures in the questions and exegesis sections of the commentary pages," the best place would probably be the policy discussion page. Thanks, --Matthew Faulconer 06:39, 30 June 2008 (CEST)
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