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Tithing and consecration
Very interesting, Joe. I think this is a very interesting way to get at the relationship between tithing and consecration.... --RobertC 19:19, 16 April 2007 (CEST)
Here's how I understand the reading. First give everything you don't need. Then give an additional 10%. That's not how I read this. I read it more like.... Give everything you have that you don't need. Then as you continue to earn interest, give 10%. I would assume that there is some time again (maybe again in a year?) where you square up if it turns out that the 90% interest you earned is more than you need. I think the key here is that the beginning of tithing is of "property" -- what we would call assets -- then the "after that" tithing is of interest -- what we would call income. --220.127.116.11 17:04, 17 April 2007 (CEST)
To be honest, I'm not sure I'm following your explanation. Let me see if I can make sense of it by writing this out. First, I give everything over that I do not need (like you say, assets). Then I go on earning my wage. As it comes in (or grows, or is harvested, or is born, etc.), I pay a tithe on it (this happens weekly or monthly or whatever). Whatever of that 90% left over I can use for whatever. Then when the year (or some other specified period of time comes to an end), I reevaluate with the bishop, and I again rid myself of everything I don't need, and the process starts all over again.
Is that what you mean? If so, I think it makes sense of the verses. I'm not sure to what degree it disrupts the relationship I was seeing between consecration and tithing. That is what I've got to think about now. --Joe Spencer 15:29, 19 April 2007 (CEST)
Wow. that was a rambling comment. Anyway, I am going to edit the commentary. I realize this interpretation is less interesting. Nevertheless, I think it is actually a better reading. That said, feel free to re-edit/re-revise. --Matthew Faulconer 06:32, 24 April 2007 (CEST)
Thank you for all your work here, Matthew. I like the way this has worked out. I haven't done much in response, but mostly because the jury is still very out on all of this for me. Let me spell out my confusion:
On the one hand, it seems quite clear that this revelation calls for something like the law of consecration, though it calls it something very different ("the beginning of the tithing"). On the other hand, what does "tithing" mean elsewhere in the D&C? This very revelation's section heading claims that tithing meant something very different before this point, but I'm not sure where that puts us. But I'm letting that question get me too sidetracked. What really seems to be at issue here is whether and how one lives the law of consecration, and what seems most important to me of all is the fact that most active members of the Church (at least in the States) have made covenants regarding this law. And those covenants are explicitly tied to the Doctrine and Covenants. I suppose that it is for that reason that this revelation seems so important to me: what is it saying about consecration (which seems amply clear elsewhere in the D&C)? Something about the "tithing is a lower law we are living in preparation for consecration" does not settle with me, probably simply because of covenants I have made. But then how do I make sense of this revelation? Should I be looking more carefully at the date? I'm still quite unsure where to go.
But again, thanks for all you've done here. I'll keep thinking. --Joe Spencer 15:42, 24 April 2007 (CEST)
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